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		<title>By: mattmaroon</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattmaroon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I certainly don&#039;t pay any attention to any &quot;news&quot; source where that would be a headline. I&#039;m more of a The Economist guy than Us Weekly. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But regardless, I have a feeling there is more than one person who can narrate movie trailers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly don&#39;t pay any attention to any &#8220;news&#8221; source where that would be a headline. I&#39;m more of a The Economist guy than Us Weekly. </p>
<p>But regardless, I have a feeling there is more than one person who can narrate movie trailers.</p>
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		<title>By: mattmaroon</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattmaroon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The blogging process is a lot different. A bunch of individuals make their own content, then users decide which they like at the end. That&#039;s a lot different than a wiki, where users create it together from scratch.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blogging and YouTube are a lot more like the independent film industry than massify.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blogging process is a lot different. A bunch of individuals make their own content, then users decide which they like at the end. That&#39;s a lot different than a wiki, where users create it together from scratch.</p>
<p>Blogging and YouTube are a lot more like the independent film industry than massify.</p>
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		<title>By: mattmaroon</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattmaroon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you know what a straw man is? Because what you just did is create a few of them and argue against them. You didn&#039;t argue my points at all, you made up your own and argued them. Feel free to argue mine at any time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know what a straw man is? Because what you just did is create a few of them and argue against them. You didn&#39;t argue my points at all, you made up your own and argued them. Feel free to argue mine at any time.</p>
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		<title>By: iflyhigh</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iflyhigh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re post is so incorrect, I don&#039;t even know where to start.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Apparently they crowd-sourced an entire movie. Everything &lt;br&gt;&gt; from the script to the casting was voted on, presumably by &lt;br&gt;&gt; the same lunkheads who turned Digg into an extension of &lt;br&gt;&gt; Apple marketing interspersed with unfunny comics and left-wing &lt;br&gt;&gt; commentary. It’s a process scientifically designed to produce a &lt;br&gt;&gt; film that’s mediocre for its budget range, which apparently was &lt;br&gt;&gt; somewhere in between what a student film normally costs and&lt;br&gt;&gt; my monthly car insurance payment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First of all, the process you&#039;ve outlined in your post is *not* the process used on Massify.  Massify users voted for the story, not the screenplay.  The winner did not direct the movie, he served as a producer and got a small role in the movie.  What he did get to do, however, is sit in on the production and participate, work with the screenwriters to flesh out the story, etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Furthermore the budget for the film was way beyond the cost of a student film and your monthly insurance car payment combined.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Don’t get me wrong, it’s neat the way the process worked, but I &lt;br&gt;&gt; guess I’m unable to see the value in coming up with a novel way &lt;br&gt;&gt; to produce more cinematic detritus. Hollywood regurgitates this &lt;br&gt;&gt; crap 10 times a year, except (judging from the trailer) with more &lt;br&gt;&gt; polish. They don’t need crowd sourcing to add to the dung heap.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s painfully obvious you&#039;ve had little to do with film, like ever.  Do you really believe most films are the work of a single individual?  Movies have been crowd sourcing since before the internet tubes.  The only thing Massify changes is who gets let into that particular crowd.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; Don’t get me wrong, it’s neat the way the process worked, but &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How can you call the process neat when you haven&#039;t the faintest clue how it works?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; I guess I’m unable to see the value in coming up with a novel &lt;br&gt;&gt; way to produce more cinematic detritus. Hollywood regurgitates &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not exactly sure our process is that novel.  All we&#039;ve really done is put a web interface on the same mechanic and opened up who can participate, nothing more and nothing less.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt; In fact, the one thing the movie industry has going for it is &lt;br&gt;&gt; that it’s still much more meritocratic than most of the rest of &lt;br&gt;&gt; America. A good script is a good script, no matter who wrote it, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, you write with authority but it&#039;s obvious you aren&#039;t a student of film history.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d argue your points more, but discourse on the web is futile, specifically when there is a risk that the OP will be shown to be clueless and pedantic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re post is so incorrect, I don&#39;t even know where to start.</p>
<p>&gt; Apparently they crowd-sourced an entire movie. Everything <br />&gt; from the script to the casting was voted on, presumably by <br />&gt; the same lunkheads who turned Digg into an extension of <br />&gt; Apple marketing interspersed with unfunny comics and left-wing <br />&gt; commentary. It’s a process scientifically designed to produce a <br />&gt; film that’s mediocre for its budget range, which apparently was <br />&gt; somewhere in between what a student film normally costs and<br />&gt; my monthly car insurance payment.</p>
<p>First of all, the process you&#39;ve outlined in your post is *not* the process used on Massify.  Massify users voted for the story, not the screenplay.  The winner did not direct the movie, he served as a producer and got a small role in the movie.  What he did get to do, however, is sit in on the production and participate, work with the screenwriters to flesh out the story, etc.</p>
<p>Furthermore the budget for the film was way beyond the cost of a student film and your monthly insurance car payment combined.</p>
<p>&gt; Don’t get me wrong, it’s neat the way the process worked, but I <br />&gt; guess I’m unable to see the value in coming up with a novel way <br />&gt; to produce more cinematic detritus. Hollywood regurgitates this <br />&gt; crap 10 times a year, except (judging from the trailer) with more <br />&gt; polish. They don’t need crowd sourcing to add to the dung heap.</p>
<p>It&#39;s painfully obvious you&#39;ve had little to do with film, like ever.  Do you really believe most films are the work of a single individual?  Movies have been crowd sourcing since before the internet tubes.  The only thing Massify changes is who gets let into that particular crowd.</p>
<p>&gt; Don’t get me wrong, it’s neat the way the process worked, but </p>
<p>How can you call the process neat when you haven&#39;t the faintest clue how it works?</p>
<p>&gt; I guess I’m unable to see the value in coming up with a novel <br />&gt; way to produce more cinematic detritus. Hollywood regurgitates </p>
<p>I&#39;m not exactly sure our process is that novel.  All we&#39;ve really done is put a web interface on the same mechanic and opened up who can participate, nothing more and nothing less.</p>
<p>&gt; In fact, the one thing the movie industry has going for it is <br />&gt; that it’s still much more meritocratic than most of the rest of <br />&gt; America. A good script is a good script, no matter who wrote it, </p>
<p>Again, you write with authority but it&#39;s obvious you aren&#39;t a student of film history.  </p>
<p>I&#39;d argue your points more, but discourse on the web is futile, specifically when there is a risk that the OP will be shown to be clueless and pedantic.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;hey couldn’t even afford the narrator&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah.  He&#039;s DEAD bro.  Watch the news much?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;hey couldn’t even afford the narrator&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah.  He&#39;s DEAD bro.  Watch the news much?</p>
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		<title>By: SongMonk</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SongMonk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with most of what you say. I disagree with this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;In fact, the one thing the movie industry has going for it is that it’s still much more meritocratic than most of the rest of America.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While a good script is a good script, that doesn&#039;t mean that it will ever get recognized or made into a movie. I know you made a comparative statement, and the film industry may be *more* meritocratic than other industries, but I don&#039;t see it as particularly meritocratic. Hollywood is very much a &quot;who do you know&quot; business. As you say, there are a lot of independent films made, but they compete at such a disadvantage (budget, distribution) that a quality script can easily fail to ever be made into a quality movie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what you say. I disagree with this:</p>
<p>&#8220;In fact, the one thing the movie industry has going for it is that it’s still much more meritocratic than most of the rest of America.&#8221;</p>
<p>While a good script is a good script, that doesn&#39;t mean that it will ever get recognized or made into a movie. I know you made a comparative statement, and the film industry may be *more* meritocratic than other industries, but I don&#39;t see it as particularly meritocratic. Hollywood is very much a &#8220;who do you know&#8221; business. As you say, there are a lot of independent films made, but they compete at such a disadvantage (budget, distribution) that a quality script can easily fail to ever be made into a quality movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Drimmie</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Drimmie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the first I&#039;ve heard of the process, and I expect it to be nothing other than crap, but I also think that most highly budgeted and produced slasher films are crap too.  It&#039;s kind of intrinsic to the genre.  :-)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, it would be interesting to me to compare this post to early (and hell, even recent) commentary by journalists relating to blogging.  &#039;Just leave it to the pros, you amateurs will only churn out crap.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is a contentious but common issue:  Does more content mean more crap or do rising waters float more boats?  I&#039;m inclined to think both.  Just as there&#039;s a ton of wasted disk space and bandwidth spent at YouTube, occasional gems shine through that couldn&#039;t if it wasn&#039;t cheap and easy to produce content. My stance is that the gems justify wading through the crap.  I have no reason to desire your stance to be the same though, and I am always a fan of curmudgeonry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first I&#39;ve heard of the process, and I expect it to be nothing other than crap, but I also think that most highly budgeted and produced slasher films are crap too.  It&#39;s kind of intrinsic to the genre.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, it would be interesting to me to compare this post to early (and hell, even recent) commentary by journalists relating to blogging.  &#39;Just leave it to the pros, you amateurs will only churn out crap.&#39;</p>
<p>It is a contentious but common issue:  Does more content mean more crap or do rising waters float more boats?  I&#39;m inclined to think both.  Just as there&#39;s a ton of wasted disk space and bandwidth spent at YouTube, occasional gems shine through that couldn&#39;t if it wasn&#39;t cheap and easy to produce content. My stance is that the gems justify wading through the crap.  I have no reason to desire your stance to be the same though, and I am always a fan of curmudgeonry.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t agree more. The stuff that floats to the top is the lowest common denominator in social voting sites. It won&#039;t be long before we see &quot;Lolcatz the Movie&quot; if this works out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#39;t agree more. The stuff that floats to the top is the lowest common denominator in social voting sites. It won&#39;t be long before we see &#8220;Lolcatz the Movie&#8221; if this works out.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Whigham</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Whigham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that&#039;s the best description of digg I&#039;ve seen anywhere. Love it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#39;s the best description of digg I&#39;ve seen anywhere. Love it!</p>
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		<title>By: pchristensen</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/12/22/crapify/#comment-19321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pchristensen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no question you&#039;re a curmudgeon, but that doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re wrong :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s no question you&#39;re a curmudgeon, but that doesn&#39;t mean you&#39;re wrong <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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