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		<title>By: mattmaroon</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18502</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both the questions and answers I&#039;ve seen seem to be coming from a different mindset, more along the lines of wanting to save a few bucks. I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that it wasn&#039;t worth discussing legal issues at all. Just that when you need to know (or if you need to know if you need to know) ask a qualified professional.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the rule applies to most professions, but other than health and law, mistakes are usually not that costly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both the questions and answers I&#39;ve seen seem to be coming from a different mindset, more along the lines of wanting to save a few bucks. I didn&#39;t mean to suggest that it wasn&#39;t worth discussing legal issues at all. Just that when you need to know (or if you need to know if you need to know) ask a qualified professional.</p>
<p>I think the rule applies to most professions, but other than health and law, mistakes are usually not that costly.</p>
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		<title>By: webwright</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18501</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to disagree here.  I think the absolutely critical thing is that you don&#039;t consider free advice as a replacement for a lawyer.  It&#039;s usually not.  I usually use the web (search) or the lazyweb (ask) for most legal issues.  My goal is to get as smart about the issue as possible BEFORE I talk to my lawyer which saves costs and helps me get get a bunch of alternate viewpoints.  I&#039;ll generally trust my lawyer UNLESS I hear a lot of credible sources suggesting a different path.  But either way, the act of discussing legal issues online builds a better foundation for me to efficiently discuss them with my lawyer...  And sometimes gives me clever ideas that neither of us would&#039;ve brought to the table.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It also helps as a gut check.  Many lawyers care more about billing lots of hours and covering their own ass than saving you a few bucks.  If 5 experienced entrepreneurs say, &quot;in my experience, this is a waste of money&quot; and my lawyer says it&#039;s an important thing to do, I might grill him a bit and find that, under pressure, he says &quot;Yeah, I guess you can probably do without that for a while.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The key here is (like everywhere else) to really consider the source of any advice   If I hear someone say, &quot;When I ran into this with my company, we did X on the advice of our lawyer (who was a big gun at WSGR),&quot; I&#039;ll consider it pretty seriously.   If I hear someone say, &quot;I read somewhere that you should do X, but I&#039;ve never been in this situation before.  And I&#039;m 12.&quot; I&#039;ll probably blow it off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m going to disagree here.  I think the absolutely critical thing is that you don&#39;t consider free advice as a replacement for a lawyer.  It&#39;s usually not.  I usually use the web (search) or the lazyweb (ask) for most legal issues.  My goal is to get as smart about the issue as possible BEFORE I talk to my lawyer which saves costs and helps me get get a bunch of alternate viewpoints.  I&#39;ll generally trust my lawyer UNLESS I hear a lot of credible sources suggesting a different path.  But either way, the act of discussing legal issues online builds a better foundation for me to efficiently discuss them with my lawyer&#8230;  And sometimes gives me clever ideas that neither of us would&#39;ve brought to the table.</p>
<p>It also helps as a gut check.  Many lawyers care more about billing lots of hours and covering their own ass than saving you a few bucks.  If 5 experienced entrepreneurs say, &#8220;in my experience, this is a waste of money&#8221; and my lawyer says it&#39;s an important thing to do, I might grill him a bit and find that, under pressure, he says &#8220;Yeah, I guess you can probably do without that for a while.&#8221;</p>
<p>The key here is (like everywhere else) to really consider the source of any advice   If I hear someone say, &#8220;When I ran into this with my company, we did X on the advice of our lawyer (who was a big gun at WSGR),&#8221; I&#39;ll consider it pretty seriously.   If I hear someone say, &#8220;I read somewhere that you should do X, but I&#39;ve never been in this situation before.  And I&#39;m 12.&#8221; I&#39;ll probably blow it off.</p>
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		<title>By: mattmaroon</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18493</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For sure. No intelligent investor would put money into a company that hasn&#039;t done it&#039;s legal due diligence (excepting, of course, companies that aren&#039;t formed yet and will be doing their diligence).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure. No intelligent investor would put money into a company that hasn&#39;t done it&#39;s legal due diligence (excepting, of course, companies that aren&#39;t formed yet and will be doing their diligence).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18492</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I think YC pays some of your legal fees, because they have a vested interest in making sure your ducks are in a row to protect their own investment as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think YC pays some of your legal fees, because they have a vested interest in making sure your ducks are in a row to protect their own investment as well.</p>
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		<title>By: mattmaroon</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18500</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattmaroon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uwe Boll at least fails in near anonymity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uwe Boll at least fails in near anonymity.</p>
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		<title>By: mattmaroon</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18496</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattmaroon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just meant creationism is bunk, and that species are a product of change over time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just meant creationism is bunk, and that species are a product of change over time.</p>
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		<title>By: mattmaroon</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattmaroon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Y Combinator saves you quite a bit of money by having you incorporate using some paperwork drafted by WSGR. I cannot fathom how much it would cost to pay them to do that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was not trying to suggest that you should incorporate before you start writing code, but my personal assets are worth protection, so I wouldn&#039;t launmch without forming an llc. Luckily their are sites that do this for you very cheaply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y Combinator saves you quite a bit of money by having you incorporate using some paperwork drafted by WSGR. I cannot fathom how much it would cost to pay them to do that.</p>
<p>I was not trying to suggest that you should incorporate before you start writing code, but my personal assets are worth protection, so I wouldn&#39;t launmch without forming an llc. Luckily their are sites that do this for you very cheaply.</p>
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		<title>By: mattmaroon</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18489</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mattmaroon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My article makes no such assumption. I&#039;m simply stating that no legal advice at all is better than advice from a non-attorney.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My article makes no such assumption. I&#39;m simply stating that no legal advice at all is better than advice from a non-attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mazur</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Mazur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, thanks for your feedback for what was almost definitely my legal post on HN. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I see your point, I fall perfectly into the category that &lt;br&gt;Tom describes: I want to launch something eventually and don&#039;t have the bankroll to pay for the good legal advice that I probably need. (By the way, hu4rollz one day...)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How does Y Combinator do it? If you&#039;re accepted to their program and have issues, do you have to settle them before demo day?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, thanks for your feedback for what was almost definitely my legal post on HN. </p>
<p>While I see your point, I fall perfectly into the category that <br />Tom describes: I want to launch something eventually and don&#39;t have the bankroll to pay for the good legal advice that I probably need. (By the way, hu4rollz one day&#8230;)</p>
<p>How does Y Combinator do it? If you&#39;re accepted to their program and have issues, do you have to settle them before demo day?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://mattmaroon.com/2008/08/27/one-inviolable-rule/#comment-18488</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find a few problems with this. One, you really ignore costs. Sure, you can get a few hours with a lawyer for free, but you can&#039;t keep going back and asking them questions. Nor will they probably write up your LLC documents for you for free, or research a really in-depth legal question for you for free. And the really good lawyers aren&#039;t just sitting around waiting for 20 year old kids who know nothing to come walking in expecting to get all their answers for free. I&#039;m sorry, but good legal advice costs money.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I think you&#039;ll agree that a lot of people at Hacker News don&#039;t have money. They&#039;re bootstrappers, get a prototype out then worry about it later types who don&#039;t have the capital for good legal advice. So what is your advice for them? Don&#039;t start until you can afford a lawyer? Go with a crappy cheap lawyer? I think the philosophy of Hacker News is &quot;don&#039;t wait, do your start-up now.&quot; If everyone waited until they could afford a good lawyer to answer every legal worry they had, then we would have a lot less companies out there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m certain we both agree that legalities are a huge deal, and doing it wrong can turn into huge problems. But I think you&#039;re ignoring the fact that some people who aren&#039;t you might be fine with that risk. You&#039;re assuming everyone wants to mitigate risk as much as possible. But what if people are perfectly fine with a huge amount of risk if it means they get their company up and running? For those people, the advice they get on Hacker News is good enough. They don&#039;t have the capital for real legal advice and they don&#039;t care. If they get sued and it all falls apart, well, thats just what happens. They want a quick and dirty answer that might be right and they move on, using their available capital for something else. Others have done it that way and so will they. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your article makes the assumption that having your affairs in good legal order is a necessity for starting a successful company. Its not. You can have a successful company with completely messed up legal affairs and a substandard or even false knowledge of what the law really is. Will it be risky? Sure. Can it fall apart at any time and go from successful to huge crash in a moment? Yes. But for the time being, it will be a successful company, and at any time they can change things around and pay for legal advice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find a few problems with this. One, you really ignore costs. Sure, you can get a few hours with a lawyer for free, but you can&#39;t keep going back and asking them questions. Nor will they probably write up your LLC documents for you for free, or research a really in-depth legal question for you for free. And the really good lawyers aren&#39;t just sitting around waiting for 20 year old kids who know nothing to come walking in expecting to get all their answers for free. I&#39;m sorry, but good legal advice costs money.</p>
<p>And I think you&#39;ll agree that a lot of people at Hacker News don&#39;t have money. They&#39;re bootstrappers, get a prototype out then worry about it later types who don&#39;t have the capital for good legal advice. So what is your advice for them? Don&#39;t start until you can afford a lawyer? Go with a crappy cheap lawyer? I think the philosophy of Hacker News is &#8220;don&#39;t wait, do your start-up now.&#8221; If everyone waited until they could afford a good lawyer to answer every legal worry they had, then we would have a lot less companies out there.</p>
<p>I&#39;m certain we both agree that legalities are a huge deal, and doing it wrong can turn into huge problems. But I think you&#39;re ignoring the fact that some people who aren&#39;t you might be fine with that risk. You&#39;re assuming everyone wants to mitigate risk as much as possible. But what if people are perfectly fine with a huge amount of risk if it means they get their company up and running? For those people, the advice they get on Hacker News is good enough. They don&#39;t have the capital for real legal advice and they don&#39;t care. If they get sued and it all falls apart, well, thats just what happens. They want a quick and dirty answer that might be right and they move on, using their available capital for something else. Others have done it that way and so will they. </p>
<p>Your article makes the assumption that having your affairs in good legal order is a necessity for starting a successful company. Its not. You can have a successful company with completely messed up legal affairs and a substandard or even false knowledge of what the law really is. Will it be risky? Sure. Can it fall apart at any time and go from successful to huge crash in a moment? Yes. But for the time being, it will be a successful company, and at any time they can change things around and pay for legal advice.</p>
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